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21 July 2009 @ 09:18 pm
week five: 1.13, 1.14, 1.15, 1.16  


This week we have four episodes!
· 1.13 - Little girl I wanna marry you
· 1.14 - Upping the ante
· 1.15 - Blinders
· 1.16 - Black eyes and broken hearts


· Smash taking steroids and him mum/the coach finding out. Is Smash sorry because he was 'cheating', or because they found out? Should coach have reported him? Do we feel sorry for Smash when the coach is punishing him and should we?
· Matt's dad leaving.
· Angela and Buddy: Tim helping out Tyra, Tyra standing up for her mum, Buddy only hiring her because he wants to do her.
· Jason and Lyla getting married. Why did he ask her, why did she say yes and then changed her mind, who's right, etc. Also the fight between Buddy and Jason.
· The Mayor asking Tami to help with her campaign. Is it because she thinks Tami's smart and awesome, or because she's the coach's wife, or both? On the Mayor being a lesbian: is it possible that in a town like Dillon, where everyone seems to know everything about everyone, nobody knew?
· Matt and Julie and the QB1 thing (and the rally girls thing). Misunderstanding, or is Matt at least a bit guilty?
· Julie and Tyra becoming friends and the Taylor's reaction. Plus, the stripping club scenes.
· Tim, Billy and their dad. Did Tim really need to go look for Walt, or was the signature just an excuse? General thoughts on Walt and his relationship with his sons. Also, is it just me seeing abuse subtext?
· Mac and racism. Should he have been fired? What do you think of the reactions of the characters (especially Smash)?
· The powder puff game. The Tyra vs. Lyla thing, coach being proud of Julie ♥ etc.
· Jason going back to school and all the problems of not fitting in, vs. being invited to Austin. Does he make the right decision? What do his parents think?
· The first game of the play-offs with the big fight.
 
 
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Chiara: fnl:*team:captainsjust_chiara on July 22nd, 2009 02:37 pm (UTC)
Comment #1
Lots of stuff this week, I probably will write waaaay too much, LOL. And just so you know, next week you'll probably have to shoot me to make me shut up. XD

Smash and the steroids
First of all, I really really feel sorry for Corinna here. She's trying her best to raise her children well, and then she finds out that her son is taking drugs. I can also see a little guilt for putting so much expectations on Smash's shoulders. Not that it's her fault, but still.
I honestly think that Smash is sorry because him mum found out and told the coach, and that could put his future at risk. It's like he thinks taking steroids is no big deal.
Had I been the coach, I think I would have reported him right away. He's almost 18, he's old enough to know better. On the other hand, I'm glad coach didn't report him, because I would've missed Smash. It also shows how much he cares for "his" kids. And I love that he punishes him, but when Tami tells him that maybe he's being a bit too hard he goes and talk to him. All his speech about football was great, btw.

Matt's dad
I totally hate the guy. He should have told Matt he was leaving the moment he knew about it. Not mention it like that... "oh, yeah, by the way, I'm not gonna be at the game you're so excited about, didn't I tell you I was going back to Iraq earlier than I thought? Is dinner ready?" And the goodbye scene, when he can't even hug his son? You're a real man from Texas, I get that. Now grow up. It's your son, you're leaving him, you could at least hold him for ten seconds when he hugs you.

Angela, Tyra and Buddy (and Tim)
It was cute to see Tim ask for a favor for Tyra. He's the kind of guy who doesn't like to ask for help, and yet he does it anyway for Tyra. Tyra's "no thank you sex, or make up sex" speech was hilarious by the way. Also:
Buddy: "bla bla bla bad timing"
Tim: "yeah, I get that a lot" ♥

Tyra, Angela and the tire scene was at the same time hilarious and heartbreaking. "I love you, but my worst fear is becoming like you" (I don't remember the exact line). Aww, Tyra. I love so much that she pushes her mother to be something more.
Buddy is a dirty bastard. Period.

Jason and Buddy; Jason and Lyla
I really hate what Buddy tells Jason. He's trying to protect his daughter, and that's great. But telling him that he's not enough for his daughter because he's on a wheelchair? I completely agree with Herc here, even though I get why Buddy acts like that.
About Jason proposing, well- kid is obviously confused. He doesn't wanna lose her, he wants to prove something to himself and the world... I think he loves Lyla, but he's asking her to marry him for the wrong reasons. Bad, bad, BAD move there. Especially since he completely forgets about her and their future together when they ask him to go to Austin.
Lyla should have said no from the start. You say 'yes', you pick the ring, and then you mention that, Oh, it might be a mistake since we're so young and stuff. I agree with her on that, they need to work out their problems, see if they can really forgive each other, and see if they can still be a couple first. They also need to talk about what they want, because Jason is no longer going to Notre Dame and right now he's focusing on quad rugby. Lyla seems to think he should focus on school, and has no idea what she wants to do with her life.
I usually love Jason, but here I can't agree with the choices he makes. I understand why he makes them, and that he's confused, but I'd like to kick some sense into him. Herc, a little help, please?

The Mayor and Tami
She's a politician. She knows that Tami is smart and would do a great job. But I think that she wouldn't have chosen her if she wasn't the coach's wife.
And I think that there should at least be rumors of her living with another woman. The writers chose not to focus too much on this, but it would have been cool. And by the way, I really hope we'll get to see the reactions of the town and the team to a gay/bi football player someday.
crazyboltonlass: fnl: coach taylorcrazyboltonlass on July 22nd, 2009 07:14 pm (UTC)
Re: Comment #1
The mayor and Tami it surprises me, especially since I get the impression it's a long-term commitment. I mean, I imagine Dillon is just a tad more reserved than the city where I spend much of my time (the original Queer as Folk was set and filmed there), but it's Dillon and gossip seems to quickly spread. Would the town of Dillon not reelect on the basis of their sexual orientation? She's football-loving after all.

Tim: "yeah, I get that a lot" Hee! :P

But I think that she wouldn't have chosen her if she wasn't the coach's wife. But what if the panthers had lost that all-important game?

Lyla should have said no from the start. Yes, exactly. Flee to Scotland where you can get married aged 16 and not need parental consent.

I'm only on 1x14 in my rewatch, full comments another time.


Edited at 2009-07-22 07:14 pm (UTC)
Chiara: fnl:*ship:tim/jay:homecomingjust_chiara on July 23rd, 2009 08:18 pm (UTC)
Re: Comment #1
the original Queer as Folk was set and filmed there
Oh, so cool. I've only seen the US version, but I know that the beginning is really similar to the UK one.

khemlabkhemlab on July 23rd, 2009 08:08 pm (UTC)
Re: Comment #1
You're a real man from Texas, I get that. Now grow up. It's your son, you're leaving him, you could at least hold him for ten seconds when he hugs you.

YES. This freaking exactly. I hate that guy.

And by the way, I really hope we'll get to see the reactions of the town and the team to a gay/bi football player someday.

That would be so interesting! I think you would see a big gap between what the younger/less traditional guys think versus what parents, clergy, etc. think. I also think, given that the kids seem to be able to get right over their racial differences when it comes to football, that if the guy was good enough they'd...well, probably still have a problem with it, but not harass him too much.

Chiara: fnl:tim:icecreamjust_chiara on July 23rd, 2009 08:20 pm (UTC)
Re: Comment #1
if the guy was good enough they'd...well, probably still have a problem with it, but not harass him too much.
Yeah, I agree. Sometimes I think they wouldn't have a problem with Osama Bin Laden being a Panther, if he was good enough. :/
khemlabkhemlab on July 23rd, 2009 08:36 pm (UTC)
Re: Comment #1
Hahaha. No, probably not. "Yes, you're a great running back, but would you mind not putting bombs right under the goal posts each game? Oh, you insist? Well, all right. But we're going to have to remove them, you understand."
Chiara: fnl:*ship:julie/mattjust_chiara on July 23rd, 2009 08:39 pm (UTC)
Re: Comment #1
LOOOL. "Also, the one you had shot was one of our linemen. Could you please not kill our own men? If it's not too much to ask, you know..."
Whitneywhitter78 on July 25th, 2009 06:22 am (UTC)
Re: Comment #1
LOL!! Talk all you want, man... this is a discussion topic... plus it makes me feel less blabby if everyone else is long winded!

But telling him that he's not enough for his daughter because he's on a wheelchair?

Exactly! There's a difference between not liking a guy because he's dating your little girl (i.e., Coach not being happy with Matt dating Julie) and not liking the guy because he's disabled. Clearly, Buddy didn't have a problem with Jason when he was the star QB... but suddenly when he's down on his luck, he isn't good enough? LAME! Yes, add Buddy to the list of father of the year... right next to Matt's Dad and Tim's Dad.

Matt's dad needs a good ole slap!! Such a cruel man to have such a sweet kid.
Chiara: fnl:*team:mottojust_chiara on July 22nd, 2009 02:38 pm (UTC)
Comment #2
Matt and Julie
I don't think Matt is really guilty, but he should learn to stand up for himself and say no. That said, it was cute to see how very insecure they still are, and the make up scene (will you be my girlfriend? ♥) was adorable.

Julie and Tyra
Is Tyra a bad influence on Julie right now? Yes. But at the same time, it's like Julie needs to make some mistakes, go against her parents and learn to make her own decisions in order to grow up.
They are improbable as friends, but I like them and I'm happy the writers decided to show a friendship between two girls.
Of course, I understand Eric and Tami's concern. Tyra is not exactly a role model, and Julie's their little girl.

The Riggins
After Matt's dad, we have the pleasure to meet Tim's. The burning question is which one will win the Father of the Year Award.
Once again we see how different the brothers are. Billy moved on, Tim didn't. Of course Billy was older when Walt left, and is older now. Tim says he remembers the bad things that his father did, but at the same time it's like he's trying not to think about them and to focus instead of what it could be like to have a father. So, yeah, I do think the signature is just an excuse. Billy must have faked his father's sign on school documents for years. I am honestly a bit surprised that he didn't ask to become Tim's legal guardian after a year since his father left. Of course he didn't want to be left with the responsability of a kid. But I'd be scared to death that he would one day come back and take him away. Especially is the abuse subtext I see is real. Maybe he didn't think about it. Or maybe it would have been too expensive? I have no idea how it would work. Would they need to try and contact the parents? I guess so, and then maybe he didn't want to see them ever again. All the same, I would have done something.
The first scene with Walt was really... weird and sad. I almost cried seeing how Tim was just clinging to him, you know? And then how he was happy that he asked him to stay for a while, and that he talked about him with that woman. All that really got his hopes up, so it's even moe painful to see Walt do his best to win the golf game and succeed. "If you didn't want to come to the game you could've just said so. It would've been easier!" Aww, baby ♥ And Walt who just doesn't get it, and gets angry because he doesn't congratulate him. :(
It was also sad to see how Walt only asked about his other son hours after Tim arrived.
(Instead, the scene at the beginning of Billy flirting with a random girl during the 'trial' of whatever it's called was pretty funny.)


I'll be back with more tonight or tomorrow.
khemlabkhemlab on July 23rd, 2009 08:13 pm (UTC)
Re: Comment #2
Maybe he didn't think about it.

I'm pretty sure Billy would never have thought of something like that. To him, the practicalities of life are enough - here's Timmy, folks are gone, I have to take care of him, that's that. I can't imagine him going down to the courthouse of his own volition and filing paperwork.

That said, the school has known about their situation forever, so why didn't they approach Billy and say something like, hey, to have any legal rights, you need to become Tim's guardian?
Chiara: fnl:*team:mottojust_chiara on July 23rd, 2009 08:25 pm (UTC)
Re: Comment #2
the school has known about their situation forever
Yeah. And I mean, everybody knew. But they let a kid of what, 17?, take care of his little brother. Really nice of them. ^^;
khemlabkhemlab on July 23rd, 2009 08:38 pm (UTC)
Re: Comment #2
Well, with that though, what else could they do? It's let Billy take care of him or put him in the foster care system - not a bright outlook.
Chiara: fnl:*ship:r'cest:finalejust_chiara on July 23rd, 2009 08:42 pm (UTC)
Re: Comment #2
Yeah, you're right. It just... doesn't seem fair for Billy (or Tim).
khemlabkhemlab on July 23rd, 2009 08:48 pm (UTC)
Re: Comment #2
No, it doesn't. =( But then, that's where we get so much of the wonderful Tim-angst that I'm addicted to, lol. What would we do with a happy & contended Tim? He'd be so boring. ;)

(Oh, and I just noticed the Billy 'n Tim scrapping icon. Nice, very nice.)

Edit: I can both spell and speak English. Really, lol.

Edited at 2009-07-23 08:51 pm (UTC)
Chiara: fnl:coach facejust_chiara on July 23rd, 2009 08:57 pm (UTC)
Re: Comment #2
Oh, totally. I probably wouldn't like him (that much). And we wouldn't have those amazing storylines. But I still wanna hug those boys really tight and bake cookies for them, LOL.

(I love that scene :D)
mireille: (fnl) mr & mrs coachmyr_soleil on July 24th, 2009 02:33 pm (UTC)
I'll probably come back with more thoughts later, but I just want to say this first: the scene where Tami talks about her forum with Eric ("Well, it didn't go very well, honey") is so great. It really touched me to see her so involved, like she really wants to make a difference and to stop racism, but she realizes it's too tall an order and it breaks her heart :( Eric's reaction is perfect too. It all made me cry. Good work, show.
crazyboltonlass: fnl:eric/tamicrazyboltonlass on July 24th, 2009 04:32 pm (UTC)
This is my favourite Eric/Tami scene of season 1. ♥

Edited at 2009-07-24 04:32 pm (UTC)
Whitney: pic#82179677whitter78 on July 25th, 2009 06:26 am (UTC)
Hugs this scene! It's so touching all around. It was so good to see "supportive coach." We get supportive Tami a lot, but I think this was one of the first times that the tables were turned.
Whitney: Quietwhitter78 on July 25th, 2009 07:00 am (UTC)
Smash and Steroids... Such a tough situation for Coach. Does he do the right thing legally and morally by turning in the kid or does he do the right thing emotionally by giving the kid a chance. Certainly, this would have effected the rest of Smash's life. No more college scholarships, probably no pro football contract, etc. I love that this show doesn't always do the "right" thing. Coach cares about Smash and wants him to succeed. The scene where Corrina brings the steroids into coach's office with Smash... WOW... can this women project anger or what! She meant business... LOVE her!

Buddy/Angela/Tyra Buddy needs to have something cut off south of the border and I ain't talking about his foot. What a pig. I can't say much for Tyra's mom because it takes 2 to tango, but for Buddy to take advantage of her in the name of letting her keep her "job"... um, no! Angela freaking out in the field about changing the tire and Tyra taking the reigns and essentially being the "adult" was fitting.

Tami and the Mayor I always thought that the Mayor had a big crush on Tami... she was totally feeling her up at that after-the-game party when they were talking and Coach was rolling his eyes. :P While I think it is a bonus that she's the "coach's wife," I also think having Tami helping with your campaign would be the best thing in the world. Incredibly smart, charismatic, responsible... who wouldn't want to hire someone like that. As for the Mayor being a lesbian in a small town. I'm from a small town and I highly doubt that a lot of the people in my town would vote for someone who is openly gay/lesbian. Sad, but true. There are just a lot of people who are set in their ways and opinions, and anything outside the realm of what's been "normal" for the last 100 years wouldn't make the cut. I hate that about my town, but it's true.

Tim/Billy/Walt: I'm constantly baffled at how many horrible people have kids. WHY!?! LOL... I mean, I know why... please don't whip out the birds and the bees conversation... :P But Walt donates his sperm, makes 2 boys and then essentially forgets about them... ugh, ugh, ugh. So, obviously he isn't high on my list of favorite people. It was interesting to see the different Riggins' reactions to their father. Tim was genuinely curious about him, obviously because he was young when he left. While Billy had so much pent up anger and hatred that he didn't want anything to do with him. Totally understandable... the man has messed both of their lives. It kind of broke my heart a little when the waitress at the bowling alley was telling Tim about how much his dad brags about him. So, you're proud of your kid, but you can't visit or talk to him?

Powder puff game: ADORED this whole storyline. Epic, epic, epic. Matt and Tim as the coaches. Lyla and Tyra on opposing teams. Julie as quarterback, and her daddy's head explodes with pride... so much good happening here. Plus, you add in Landry as the referee who has to discipline coach and Julie making the winning touchdown... SCORE on all counts!

Mac and the racism: My mouth fell on the floor when Mac said what he did. How!? Why!? What!? Another situation where coach has to make the decision morally/legally versus emotionally. I think this was one of my favorite storylines of season 1. It was powerful and I think they handled it all very believably. Everything doesn't turn out roses and sunshine in the end, but does it ever in real life? Go show! It was interesting to see Smash's journey... being pulled in so many directions... by Waverly, by the team, by the other black people in the community, and finally by his mother... who, once again, was the voice of reason.

Before I shut up, they always need a scene in the street with Coach, Tami, and Julie being adorable in the moonlight... that scene always makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.
crazyboltonlass: fnl: tamicrazyboltonlass on July 25th, 2009 09:49 pm (UTC)
There are just a lot of people who are set in their ways and opinions, and anything outside the realm of what's been "normal" for the last 100 years wouldn't make the cut.

That's sort of the issue with Mac too. I mean I know someone of the 'older' generation who has a heart of gold, but some of the things he occasionally says horrify me.

You mentioned it being a powerful storyline and that is very true. Part of reason I listed Mac as a favourite secondary character was due to the actor, the character we can't condone and he was sneakily going behind Coach's back in the voodoo episodes.

Coach: "You listen to Dr. Q?"
Mac: "I live by her." HEE!

It was nice to see a coach teaching, I always wondered about that.

I'm constantly baffled at how many horrible people have kids. WHY!?! I don't know what state aid is like in the US but where I live there's a growing issue with teenage mothers because you can get assistance with housing (usually free) and quite a cosy life financially.

I just love Coach's expression in that scene where they're getting ready to go over.

Do you think if Coach hadn't be preoccupied with the court case, he might have noticed about Smash?
.


Whitneywhitter78 on July 26th, 2009 08:32 am (UTC)
Dr. Q!! Loved that scene... especially the cut from Coach being all grouchy about having to listen to her in the car, to using the exact same advice on the field. Ahahahahaha... it's a good thing Mac wasn't listening to her that day.

Ugh... that seems so unfair that they get compensated handsomely for having a baby!! We have aid and welfare here, but there's a limit to how long you can be on it, and it definitely wouldn't be a "cosy" life with what the government would shell out.

That's one of my favorite coach expressions ever! He's a pretty man.

Hmmmm... I don't know if he'd have noticed about Smash had he not had so much going on. He did notice that he was running a lot faster and even made mention that whatever he was eating, he should keep on eating it.
crazyboltonlass: fnl: coach taylorcrazyboltonlass on July 26th, 2009 11:30 am (UTC)
He did notice that he was running a lot faster and even made mention that whatever he was eating, he should keep on eating it. I thought he might have twigged with the nose bleed too.


Ugh... that seems so unfair that they get compensated handsomely for having a baby!! We have aid and welfare here, but there's a limit to how long you can be on it, and it definitely wouldn't be a "cosy" life with what the government would shell out.
We have the highest rate in Western Europe and for many unfortunately, it is a way out of a dysfunctional home, a way to quit education and saves you having to do a dead-end job for a considerable time, if not forever. And it's a cycle that continues, there's people here who are grandmothers at 30. I live smack in the middle of teen pregnancy hotspots.

I hate seeing young pre-school kids swearing and I get really riled by bad manners, especially when people don't wait to let everyone off the train before getting on.

My favourite part of these episodes is the Eric Taylor show and the powderpuff game!
babyara: {fnl} tim/tyra: pilotbabyara on July 25th, 2009 01:35 pm (UTC)
#1
#: I think that I hated Smash for what he did. Not to himself, but to his mother. I love Corinna, and the delusion on her face killed me. For a moment I was a bit angry with her, that’s true. Because the first thing that she did was went to the coach and she accused him to give to his kids drugs. But at the same time I can understand a mother that in this situation didn’t want to believe that her own son did something so stupid on his own. I hope that Smash was sorry for what he did, but we know that he learned the lessons. I also think that Eric did the right thing to punish him. Smash was wrong and is perfect to be punish when we commit a mistake. Uhm I appreciated the fact that coach didn’t report him… if he did he could ruins Smash’s life forever. And he commit only one mistake.

#: Just one thing: this man isn’t a father for me. I’m not interesting about all the story of ‘you’re a soldier and blablabla’. Before to be a soldier he’s a father and he should stay to help his own son.

#: Buddy is only a bastard. And I don’t know to spend more words on him. Tim was really sweet to ask a favor for Tyra *.* Is clear that he isn’t use to ask favor, not for himself or for any other, but he did that for Tyra *.* {LOVELOVELOVE <3}. I always like the relationship between Tyra and Angela. I love when Tyra did everything to convince her mother to react, to move on. For a moment we can think that is Tyra the mother and not Angela. Here Tyra prove to be really mature.

#: Jason’s life was broke. He lost everything. The only thing that keep him tie to his past and to what he was, is Lyla and their relationship. Jason had scare to move on. Jason had scare to do plane for his future alone. I think that that are the reasons because he proposed to her and for the same reasons she accepted. Plus the instinct of the moment, and for the memories of the past and for their dream. But then, when Lyla thought about this she understood that even if she loved Jason, she had to think about herself before his boyfriend. And… we know, right? That isn’t love… I think that at this point Lyla didn’t love Jason anymore and the same thing for him. I hated Buddy. I hated him so much for what he said to Jason. And I love Herc for what he said to Jason ‘in your life you’ll meet more other Buddy Garrity’. And unfortunately I think that Herc had reason.

#: I think that the major asked to Tami to help her only because she’s coach’s wife. I think that even in Dillon is possible to hide something, so it isn’t strange if no one knows about the fact the she’s lesbian.
Whitneywhitter78 on July 26th, 2009 08:36 am (UTC)
Re: #1
Before to be a soldier he’s a father and he should stay to help his own son.

EXACTLY!! Especially because Matt's mother isn't around either. What if Grandma Saracen had been dead, was Matt going to have to go to foster care because his dad was too selfish?
babyara: {fnl} tim: sguardo basso 33babyara on July 25th, 2009 01:36 pm (UTC)
#2
#: Matt did one mistake: hide the truth to Julie. I think that she understand how is football’s world and she don’t be so angry if Matt say simple the truth. But he didn’t, because he scared to lose his girlfriend. Poor Matt… even in that situation, even if he did a mistake… I would want to cuddle him XD

#: Believe me, the only moment in all the three seasons that I didn’t like Tami is this. Is the things that she said at Julie about Tyra. I know that Tyra couldn’t be a good example at Eric and Tami’s eyes, but I think that they’re too much protective with Julie. I’m glad that she change her mind and decide to help Tyra to realize her dreams. I love the friendship between Tyra and Julie because I think that Julie grow up thanks to Tyra. I laugh so much at the scene at the strip club. Lance is really amazing… and stupid… as always. All my love is for Lance XD

#: I can use every word to define Walt, but father is the last one! I hate this man, I hate what he did to Tim AGAIN. I hate what he did to Billy AGAIN!!! And no, you aren’t the only one that see abuse in this relationship, you know. I think that the story of the signature for me is just an excuse to go to him. Tim would want a family and I think that he see a opportunity to have. He did a mistake and… he pay too much for this mistake.

#: AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA LANCE!!!!!!!!!! Lovelovelove <3 when he saw at coach to stay away from the field… LOL and Eric? ‘You say to me? You say to ME?’{or something like that, I don’t remember the right words} LOL Awwww so sweet Eric that is so proud of the fact that Julie is a QB *.* and I really like the fight between Tyra and Lyla… and Tyra win make me very happy!!!

#: Jason take the right decision. He need to have a reason to move on, and the trip to Austin help him to do that, and I think that his parents understand that.

For the first time lj say me that the comment is too long *LOL*
Whitneywhitter78 on July 26th, 2009 08:39 am (UTC)
Re: #2
when he saw at coach to stay away from the field

LMAO!! I'm so glad that they decided to let Lance be the referee... hilarious! I loved how Eric was in "coaching" mode even when he wasn't even in charge of the team! Tami had to keep telling him to calm down!